CCI D-White, Discharge White

[3Deep]

Alan,  I posted a short vid on my facebook if you would like to see the print  (3deepscreenprinting)

Darryl

[alan802]

I just wash tested the shirts with the CCI D-White as an underbase with plastisol on top and they are fantastically bad.  The ink cracked and the prints are ruined.  I kind of figured that it could happen since the base was a completely different makeup than plastisol and the white pigment just doesn't allow the print to stretch at all.  Oh well, straight discharge as an UB works great.  I'm still going to use this product on all white designs on darks so all is not lost.  This really is a great ink and it's going to make us a lot of money and save us a ton of time and energy.  Now it's on to discharge spot colors, wish me luck.

[Evo]

I just wash tested the shirts with the CCI D-White as an underbase with plastisol on top and they are fantastically bad.  The ink cracked and the prints are ruined.  I kind of figured that it could happen since the base was a completely different makeup than plastisol and the white pigment just doesn't allow the print to stretch at all.  Oh well, straight discharge as an UB works great.  I'm still going to use this product on all white designs on darks so all is not lost.  This really is a great ink and it's going to make us a lot of money and save us a ton of time and energy.  Now it's on to discharge spot colors, wish me luck.

Yep!

Pre-mix discharge white should only ever be used as a "top" or highlight white. It is astonishingly bad as an underbase, and it's total hell trying to make top colors work other than for Easter egg pastels.

[squeegee]

I just wash tested the shirts with the CCI D-White as an underbase with plastisol on top and they are fantastically bad.  The ink cracked and the prints are ruined.  I kind of figured that it could happen since the base was a completely different makeup than plastisol and the white pigment just doesn't allow the print to stretch at all.  Oh well, straight discharge as an UB works great.  I'm still going to use this product on all white designs on darks so all is not lost.  This really is a great ink and it's going to make us a lot of money and save us a ton of time and energy.  Now it's on to discharge spot colors, wish me luck.

Just take the D-white and mix it into dis base about 80/20 base to wht and the durability of the prints will be fine.  Use straight base if you want, we prefer that white percentage in our UB's to help the plastisol colors pop.  Watch out for plastisol top colors that can shift in value without flashing.  Make sure your dwell in the dryer is set for discharge for full cure.

[Prosperi-Tees]

I was gonna buy a bunch of CCI discharge white but I just asked my CCI rep what the shelf life is and he said its only 4 weeks. Has anyone had it longer than 4 weeks and it work out fine still?

[RICK STEFANICK]

you really should try that sericol discharge white.. works KILLER as a underbase. i have had it 6 months with no problems. that cci white didnt wash well for me either. i tryed it and personally i dont think its in the same league as the sericol.  as far as non discharge but super opaque waterbase try that rutland hs-a

[brandon]

I was gonna buy a bunch of CCI discharge white but I just asked my CCI rep what the shelf life is and he said its only 4 weeks. Has anyone had it longer than 4 weeks and it work out fine still?

Maybe with the lid off. We use it. Great product. Go through a 5 gallon bucket every two months or so. So 8 weeks there and no problem.

[Prosperi-Tees]

you really should try that sericol discharge white.. works KILLER as a underbase. i have had it 6 months with no problems. that cci white didnt wash well for me either. i tryed it and personally i dont think its in the same league as the sericol.  as far as non discharge but super opaque waterbase try that rutland hs-a

Is that the sericol TC-311?

[RICK STEFANICK]

yes, thats the high opacity white. sericol also has a pantone formula guide you can download ans match virtually any color using 13 rfu colors. really makes matching easy. as you know discharge and waterbase colors are tough to match as they look totally different in the container than printed. another thing about sericol is they will sample you in gallons which really helps if testing on your auto and gives you enough ink to really check it out on multiple jobs. i have expierienced some of the same issues with color balance and yellowing using plasticharge as a underbase running wet but never this product. just my .02

[tonypep]

I was gonna buy a bunch of CCI discharge white but I just asked my CCI rep what the shelf life is and he said its only 4 weeks. Has anyone had it longer than 4 weeks and it work out fine still?

I've kept the CCI white and base unactivated for months. Leave the lid on and try to keep it in a room that is air conditioned in the summer

[Prosperi-Tees]

yes, thats the high opacity white. sericol also has a pantone formula guide you can download ans match virtually any color using 13 rfu colors. really makes matching easy. as you know discharge and waterbase colors are tough to match as they look totally different in the container than printed. another thing about sericol is they will sample you in gallons which really helps if testing on your auto and gives you enough ink to really check it out on multiple jobs. i have expierienced some of the same issues with color balance and yellowing using plasticharge as a underbase running wet but never this product. just my .02

Good info, thanks

[RICK STEFANICK]

hey tony..hope your getting settled. give me a ring when you get a chance..

[tonypep]

Rick send me a PM with your # thnx tp

[Itsa Little CrOoked]

I just had ran my first print with the CCI D-White, 6%ZFS, 70 Duro, 156 Sefar (Looooow newtons) Manual press, various colored substrates--including 90/10 hoodies.

This stuff prints like a dream, at least on a short run of 70, one color prints.

In fact, I'm so pleased with the printability as compared to Matsui Bright Discharge White, it's like a completely different system to me. I did mix in a little water via spray bottle once during the (short) run, but it's very nice--no other reduction necessary. (I wonder if Fixer N is necessary---or even works with CCI bases.)

To be fair, it was a rainy day Friday, and cool temps in the shop. Not 110 degrees at 28% humidity like I fought for weeks and weeks last summer. But I can tell, for a guy with no autos, this stuff is gonna be a sweet relief. I'm about one year in to discharge, and honestly kinda dread using the Matsui Bright White Discharge on long, multi-colored jobs.

I'm still about an 80/20 shop at this point, so I don't discharge every day, and I can't yet imagine ZERO plastisol.  But this CCI stuff is a game changer for my discharge thinking, being all manual.

I'm ready to print some pigmented discharge, but I've read good things about their base also. I haven't found a distributor handling this product with one day UPS ground service to my area yet, but that would seal the deal.

For straight waterbased jobs on whites or pastels with no discharge agent, I'm guessing the D-Clear would suffice, using my Matsui PC pigments.  I've heard Matsui is discontinuing their PC tint system. YIKES!  I'm hooked on that stuff! Hope that it's not true.....

[Prosperi-Tees]

I just got some sericol discharge in, hoping to test it soon. I really like the cci stuff though.@ itsa ryonet carries the cci white but it's private labeled for them or just go cci direct