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what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« on: November 15, 2012, 11:31:35 AM »
I don't have a flag in my shop. I probably should but if anyone has one could you check and see what the closest pantone is to it? Thanks


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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2012, 11:44:15 AM »
In the Pantone system the colors are: Blue PMS 282 and Red PMS 193.
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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2012, 11:45:32 AM »
hmmm, according to the label on the ink I mixed and always use, it's 281
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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2012, 11:49:33 AM »
I believe that the discrepancy may be due to the fact that poor Betsy Ross was limited to CYMK, or RGB equivalents, and when the Pantone system came along, there was no perfect match.

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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2012, 11:51:27 AM »
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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2012, 12:00:22 PM »
Sometimes, Pantone Matching System (PMS) approximations to the flag colors are used. One set was given on the website of the U.S. embassy in London as early as 1998; the website of the U.S. embassy in Stockholm claimed in 2001 that those had been suggested by Pantone, and that the U.S. Government Printing Office preferred a different set. A third red was suggested by a California Military Department document in 2002.[12] In 2001, the Texas legislature specified that the colors of the Texas flag should be "(1) the same colors used in the United States flag; and (2) defined as numbers 193 (red) and 281 (dark blue) of the Pantone Matching System."[13]


Pantone Approximations[14]
Source   PMS      CIELAB D50   
U.S. Emb., London   193 C      281 C      
U.S. Emb., Stockholm   186 C   288 C      
CA Mil. Dept.   200 C      
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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2012, 12:00:54 PM »
Frog beat me to it . . .

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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2012, 12:11:55 PM »
I don't know, but I mentioned this on Facebook... If Puerto Rico becomes a state and we have to add a star, I hope they provide the vector files. In Corel AND Illustrator.
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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2012, 12:41:51 PM »
I don't know, but I mentioned this on Facebook... If Puerto Rico becomes a state and we have to add a star, I hope they provide the vector files. In Corel AND Illustrator.


Don't sweat it, but much to the chagrin of flag makers anticipating a windfall market, the timing will be such to coincide with the secession from the Union by Texas, keeping our nice round even total number of stars.

btw, true conny-sewers of textile color standards and collectors of old documents may like this item http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Textile-Color-Card-Association-Rare-Color-Card-/160578879153
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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2012, 12:52:12 PM »
Great I already have some 281 on the shelf. Thanks guys!

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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2012, 01:43:29 PM »
I don't know, but I mentioned this on Facebook... If Puerto Rico becomes a state and we have to add a star, I hope they provide the vector files. In Corel AND Illustrator.


Don't sweat it, but much to the chagrin of flag makers anticipating a windfall market, the timing will be such to coincide with the secession from the Union by Texas, keeping our nice round even total number of stars.

btw, true conny-sewers of textile color standards and collectors of old documents may like this item http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Textile-Color-Card-Association-Rare-Color-Card-/160578879153


Actually Puerto Rico has started a movement to cut all ties with the US

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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2012, 03:59:41 PM »
I don't know, but I mentioned this on Facebook... If Puerto Rico becomes a state and we have to add a star, I hope they provide the vector files. In Corel AND Illustrator.


Don't sweat it, but much to the chagrin of flag makers anticipating a windfall market, the timing will be such to coincide with the secession from the Union by Texas, keeping our nice round even total number of stars.

btw, true conny-sewers of textile color standards and collectors of old documents may like this item http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Textile-Color-Card-Association-Rare-Color-Card-/160578879153



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Re: what is the closest pantone for the blue in the american flag?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 11:42:51 PM »
I don't know, but I mentioned this on Facebook... If Puerto Rico becomes a state and we have to add a star, I hope they provide the vector files. In Corel AND Illustrator.


Don't sweat it, but much to the chagrin of flag makers anticipating a windfall market, the timing will be such to coincide with the secession from the Union by Texas, keeping our nice round even total number of stars.

btw, true conny-sewers of textile color standards and collectors of old documents may like this item http://www.ebay.com/itm/1921-Textile-Color-Card-Association-Rare-Color-Card-/160578879153


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