Just a new picture of the current state of my Pocono Screens mesh

[shellyky]

about 4 more that aren't pictured here...... they're ignoring us at this point.  Never had this happen...always used their stuff...now new "green" glue and new ownership, and this....all from the same batch.

[Frog]

Check on the compatibility of your chemicals with their glue.

I remember a time when CCI listed some as not being suitable for glued frames. May be the same with other manufacturers as well.

btw, many of mine are doing that as well, but they are from a batch six or seven years old.

[shellyky]

i use the same chems ive been using since the first shirt rolled off my ebay press 6+ years ago.,...only thing that has changed is their glue and their ownership at this point....im sure we'll go newmans this year sometime but its just the principal..their website literally says GUARANTEED and they are ignoring me on all levels of communication for months.

[Denis Kolar]

They look to be around 25 Ncm, just as they promisse.

Am I close?

That is Pocono, they tried to screw me on used Newmans last year too. Sold me crapy old ones and newer used ones.
I threatened to dispute charges and they sent me return shipping label and refunded me.

[tancehughes]

shelly, newman is the way to go if you want total control! Don't hesitate, get started now, you are going to love them.

[ScreenFoo]

Only time that happens to me is when I use glue I know I should have thrown out six months ago.

At least they have tension--they'll never pop with crappy glue if they send them out at 10N...   

[tonypep]

Shelly. There is another probable reason this is happening. You can PM me if you like

[Frog]

So, Tony, glad to see you again, but at this point, has your employer forbidden you to post anything remotely helpful or just no proprietary secrets?

[inkman996]

Not an individual issue I know someone else that has had the exact same thing happen to them with the new green glue Pocono screens.

I am glad my local guy still uses the Red sefar stuff, its next to impossible to remove with out a grinder. Easier to just glue over it. Great glue but man it will drop you like Mike Tyson if you took to much in your lungs at one time.

[tonypep]

Ok Andy I'll slip this in. First there are two basic types of glue used here.
1). Two part cyanoacryalate with spray activator. Benefit to the stretcher: fast.
Deficit to printers: sensitive to the very slightest of bows and dips; even in micron measurements. More prone to lose adhesion.
2. 2- part laquer. Deficit to stretchers: slower, glue has a pot life. Benefit to stretcher: less sensitive to dips and bows. Benefit to printers: Longer screen life. (Important to know these products are usually offered in high mesh and low mesh viscosities.)
Second, it appears that the pre-abrasion of the frame is either poor or non existent. Often skimped on due to cost this is a critical step. The optimum way to achieve the best and most uniform abrasion is bead blasting. Most frame providers do not provide this service any more because it's a price war game out there. Grinding is inferior unless you have a Grunig or Harlacher unit designed for this specific purpose.
That'll have t do for now

[Frog]

That's the Tony P we remember! 

[bimmridder]

SHHHHHHHHH

[Printficient]

Ok Andy I'll slip this in. First there are two basic types of glue used here.
1). Two part cyanoacryalate with spray activator. Benefit to the stretcher: fast.
Deficit to printers: sensitive to the very slightest of bows and dips; even in micron measurements. More prone to lose adhesion.
2. 2- part laquer. Deficit to stretchers: slower, glue has a pot life. Benefit to stretcher: less sensitive to dips and bows. Benefit to printers: Longer screen life. (Important to know these products are usually offered in high mesh and low mesh viscosities.)
Second, it appears that the pre-abrasion of the frame is either poor or non existent. Often skimped on due to cost this is a critical step. The optimum way to achieve the best and most uniform abrasion is bead blasting. Most frame providers do not provide this service any more because it's a price war game out there. Grinding is inferior unless you have a Grunig or Harlacher unit designed for this specific purpose.
That'll have t do for now

100% correct.  We do bead blasting at Xenon.  Along with two other proprietary steps designed and invented by Brent.  Our frames are guaranteed and we stand behind ours with our reputation.

[mk162]

i've heard those grunigs are sweet.  I think spot color has one.

You can tell which frames have been PROPERLY prepped and which ones haven't.

[Printficient]

by the by, I have some 23x31's in Atlanta i could ship to you.  What mesh counts are those?